nmstoker a minute ago

UK, so what's the betting no one got a patent on this?!

GistNoesis 4 hours ago

Note here that "faster" here really means more speed and not an increase in the volume of data transferred : The light go through the air hollow-core so can go at near "c" (the speed of light in vacuum) speed, instead of being constrained to "speed of light in glass which is only "2/3 c". This allows reduce latency for long distance communication.

https://spie.org/news/photonics-focus/julyaug-2022/speeding-...

  • Sesse__ an hour ago

    It's true, but for most cases, the volume of a fiber is not the problem anyway. Latency is a problem most of us somehow bump into every day, while most fibers in the ground are nowhere near what you can push out of DWDM (e.g., off-the-shelf equipment will easily allow you to run 20x100Gbit over a single fibre, but many of them only carry a single 10Gbit or even 1Gbit link).

    Trans-continental is different, because you'll need amplifiers. Many, many amplifiers in a row. And those generally work well only in a fairly limited band. But unless you're doing submarine, bandwidth is almost never the problem.

    To make things worse, a lot of existing medium-haul fiber links are actually twice as long as you'd expect, due to the desire to cancel out dispersion; you first run the fiber e.g. 10km from place to place, and then run it through a large 10km spool (of a slightly different type of fiber) in the datacenter to cancel out the dispersion. This is slowly going away, but only slowly.

    • xeonmc 31 minutes ago

      does using hollow core means you can do away with dispersion compensation?

      • Sesse__ 9 minutes ago

        AFAIK yes, but if that's your goal, a far easier solution is to just use transmission standards that don't care about dispersion (coherent detection). E.g., all 100gig transmission already does not care about it.

    • Joel_Mckay 29 minutes ago

      Sounds like it was something like CML for >200km runs. =3

  • hyperhello 3 hours ago

    So submarine cables were limited to 0.67c and now aren’t? Can this really work?

    • p_j_w 3 hours ago

      > So submarine cables were limited to 0.67c and now aren’t?

      I think it’s more like in the future they might not be. It’s anyone’s guess how mass production and deployment of this might look.

    • b3orn 3 hours ago

      For submarine cables there are two things here. The first is lower attenuation which allows for fewer amplifiers along the route making it overall cheaper. The second is lower latency. There have been cases where high frequency trading people went wireless to get lower latency because of the higher propagation speed of EM-waves in air. For really long distances you can go theoretically use satellite links to get lower latency than a submarine cable even if the total distance increases.

      • Figs 33 minutes ago

        Someday, someone is finally going to work out how to do comms with neutrinos (which can pass directly through the Earth and come out the other side) and make so much money...

chasil 3 hours ago

Interesting quotes from the article:

"There has not been a significant improvement in the minimum attenuation—a measure of the loss of optical power per kilometer traveled—of optical fibers in around 40 years...

"The new design maintains low losses of around 0.2 dB/km over a 66 THz bandwidth and boasts 45% faster transmission speeds...

"The new fiber is a kind of nested antiresonant nodeless hollow core fiber (DNANF) with a core of air surrounded by a meticulously engineered glass microstructure.

"The team believes that further research can reduce losses even more, possibly down to 0.01 dB/km, and also help to tune the fiber for low-loss operation at different wavelengths. Even the losses achieved, however, open up the potential for longer unamplified spans in undersea and terrestrial cables and high-power laser delivery and sensing applications, among others."

  • Sesse__ 44 minutes ago

    > "The new design maintains low losses of around 0.2 dB/km over a 66 THz bandwidth and boasts 45% faster transmission speeds...

    0.2 dB/km is already a pretty common loss ratio, though. It's true that you won't get that over the entire 1310–1550nm range (the ~35 THz range commonly in use), but you generally can't use all of that for long-haul links anyway due to the way repeaters work.

    More interestingly, they promise 0.06 dB/km or so in the most relevant bands. If they can keep that up, it would mean less need for amplifiers, which is a Good Thing(TM).

bragr 3 hours ago

How does one splice a cable with such a complex geometry? Is that a solved problem already?

  • nicholasbraker 2 hours ago

    You probbaly need a specialised crew to do this and as such such fiber won't be installed in your own neighbourhood for your Fiber-to-the-Home connection anytime soon I guess. But, maybe in a few decades it will.

    When such technology becomes practical for the large telco's it will be implemented soon as this saves on attenuation equipment.

rtrgrd 3 hours ago

All the hedge funds sniping orders right now lol

  • diamondage an hour ago

    Low latency starlink orders on hold