I understand why it is still popular, I first used it at my current job and for the life of me I do not understand how people put up with it. It is one of the worst applications I use in my daily work life.
Almost 20 years ago, I remember getting in an argument with a new manager who was pushing for the company to use Exchange “because that’s what businesses do”
Then about 5 years ago something similar happened at another company when I was against 365. Their argument was “I know it sucks, but that’s microsoft’s preferred way”
There are a lot of people with decision making power that base their decisions solely on marketing material.
Opposing Microsoft products and services is career ending attitude in the enterprise environment. Bill and Steve (the other one) are not such nice guys as many think.
Yes, but I also remember in 2007 how I could just pound through hundreds of emails on a flight (this was pre-Internet days) and when I landed all my sent messages would just magically get sent. Sure some IMAP clients had the concept of an outbox when they couldn’t connect to send an email, but I never found one that worked as well as Lotus Notes.
Fantastic master-master replication distributed database with a very poor email client built on top.
Yes. I have to develop against it sometimes. It is ridiculous how buggy this old software still is. And MS tries to put "new" features into it and shutting down hopelessly old but still more feature-rich components, making it even worse over time.
If only there was some way, maybe through decentralization, to ensure that not all of Microsoft Exchange customer where down at the same time. Maybe if there where a self-hosting option, or a partner network that could offer these service. Oh well, guess we'll never know.
EuroNews is generally pretty respectable, but it is sad that their cookie/tracking banner isn't compliant. Equally sad that no one at EuroNews management have seen the banner and though: 870 partners seems like 867 to many.
Arguably EuroNews is a strange source for news like this, but companies like Microsoft and Amazon are terrible about communicating outages directly.
The link to continue without agreeing is right at the top with the warning, and not buried somewhere in settings (and especially not sending you to each of the 800 to opt out individually like so many firms helpfully offer).
Twitter is unusable if you don’t have an account. Only thing that works is direct link to tweets. I imagine there are plenty of privacy conscious people on this platform who don’t have social media accounts so a link to a Twitter account is pretty much useless for them.
Privacy isn't free and comes with its own costs. I give up on a lot of things but I also realize programmers and ops people need to eat too, and servers, bandwidth aren't free.
Not sure what's wrong with your feed, if I go to that account the top post is from 3 hours ago concerning this outage along with two replies at 2 hours and then ~48 minutes ago located right under it.
Yeah I used to use Twitter without an account quite a bit and I guess saw a decent amount of ads to make it worthwhile for them. Don’t understand them messing with non-logged in users.
I haven’t used twitter in a couple of years now because of that even though I’d like to. It’s completely useless unless I’ve a direct link to a tweet
I didn't downvote, but my only problem is that I can't tell if it's a more respectable source or not since twitter won't let me see anything without creating an account ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The thing about this that's troubling is that you saw it and it troubled you.
Most sites linked from HN you don't see that number even though it often numbers in the thousands; and if you do get told, they don't let you use a single click to continue without agreeing.
I was pleasantly surprised how transparent this was, and that I could just disagree and continue, instead of the usual GDPR-dodging dark patterns.
Looks like global productivity will see a small but positive bump today.
If only Slack could take some of its 0.0x% sometime soon, I might be able to finish off three or four dangling threads.
I understand why it is still popular, I first used it at my current job and for the life of me I do not understand how people put up with it. It is one of the worst applications I use in my daily work life.
Almost 20 years ago, I remember getting in an argument with a new manager who was pushing for the company to use Exchange “because that’s what businesses do”
Then about 5 years ago something similar happened at another company when I was against 365. Their argument was “I know it sucks, but that’s microsoft’s preferred way”
There are a lot of people with decision making power that base their decisions solely on marketing material.
But what options are there? You pretty much must choose between Microsoft 365 or Google Workspace.
postfix and dovecot with an smtp relay service, and let people use whatever client they want, or that comes with their OS.
I’m kidding, I know that nobody runs programs on their own computers anymore.
Opposing Microsoft products and services is career ending attitude in the enterprise environment. Bill and Steve (the other one) are not such nice guys as many think.
Then you should think yourself lucky that you've never had to use Lotus Notes.
Yes, but I also remember in 2007 how I could just pound through hundreds of emails on a flight (this was pre-Internet days) and when I landed all my sent messages would just magically get sent. Sure some IMAP clients had the concept of an outbox when they couldn’t connect to send an email, but I never found one that worked as well as Lotus Notes.
Fantastic master-master replication distributed database with a very poor email client built on top.
I believe most people, including myself, don’t have a choice in the matter…
I only wish it was down... it's all good here in NL.
It was down this morning, producing a plaintext 404 for some endpoints for some reason. Seems like they managed to fix most of it, though.
We're having problems here in NL.
SharePoint Online search is broken too.
SharePoint is broken by default, no?
Yes. I have to develop against it sometimes. It is ridiculous how buggy this old software still is. And MS tries to put "new" features into it and shutting down hopelessly old but still more feature-rich components, making it even worse over time.
> SharePoint Online search is broken too.
How could you tell ?
If only there was some way, maybe through decentralization, to ensure that not all of Microsoft Exchange customer where down at the same time. Maybe if there where a self-hosting option, or a partner network that could offer these service. Oh well, guess we'll never know.
Get out of here with that crazy talk
MO941162, not that it gets updated that often.
If only it could stay down forever. :)
fucking retards still have their status page set to "We're all good!"
haha, nothing ever changes
Oh no! Now I won't be able to attend our weekly monday morning meeting! The horror!
> With your agreement, we and our 870 partners use cookies or similar technologies to store, access, and process personal data
!! Surely there's a more respectable source.
Anyway, Outlook is working fine for me here in NZ. This news seems to be a day old: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=MO941162
EuroNews is generally pretty respectable, but it is sad that their cookie/tracking banner isn't compliant. Equally sad that no one at EuroNews management have seen the banner and though: 870 partners seems like 867 to many.
Arguably EuroNews is a strange source for news like this, but companies like Microsoft and Amazon are terrible about communicating outages directly.
On the contrary, it seems compliant?
The link to continue without agreeing is right at the top with the warning, and not buried somewhere in settings (and especially not sending you to each of the 800 to opt out individually like so many firms helpfully offer).
Does the rule require that the two options are "equal", which they are not in this case.
Indeed, they just hid it in the logo. If that's not malicious compliance...
> EuroNews is generally pretty respectable
Was. A long time ago. Today they are just propaganda spreaders.
More respectable source - https://x.com/MSFT365Status
How do you evaluate respectability in this case? The icon that meant verified on Twitter now only means that someone paid money to X.
(And of course you can't read it if you're not logged in.)
In this case you can find this X account linked on some Microsoft status pages.
https://status.cloud.microsoft/
Exactly like how you evaluate respectability on any platform including the web. Not like there are reliable checkmarks everywhere you go.
I respect them more. So that’s one data point..
(PS: Poe’s law).
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Twitter is unusable if you don’t have an account. Only thing that works is direct link to tweets. I imagine there are plenty of privacy conscious people on this platform who don’t have social media accounts so a link to a Twitter account is pretty much useless for them.
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Hey, privacy is a vald concern. I could just as easily say 'When you say "privacy doesn't matter" most of us hear "moron".
Try being a bit more civil next time.
Privacy isn't free and comes with its own costs. I give up on a lot of things but I also realize programmers and ops people need to eat too, and servers, bandwidth aren't free.
Lets not ship so much tracking and ads, this way we can reduce the amount of sent data a lot!
I got banned within 10 minutes when I tried that. (Twitter's TOS says I'm no longer allowed to create accounts.)
By default, the posts are all out of order. Top 5 posts are from 2022, 2023, 2020, Jul 19 (Crowdstrike), Jul 18. (in that specific order)
Not really useful for the 'latest' going on.
Twitter used to be able to do that, was super useful to get the pulse of a current event.
It's a countermeasure to intensive scraping by bots for AI purposes that was costing them a lot of server costs.
Not sure what's wrong with your feed, if I go to that account the top post is from 3 hours ago concerning this outage along with two replies at 2 hours and then ~48 minutes ago located right under it.
You're logged in, they are not.
Yeah I used to use Twitter without an account quite a bit and I guess saw a decent amount of ads to make it worthwhile for them. Don’t understand them messing with non-logged in users.
I haven’t used twitter in a couple of years now because of that even though I’d like to. It’s completely useless unless I’ve a direct link to a tweet
I didn't downvote, but my only problem is that I can't tell if it's a more respectable source or not since twitter won't let me see anything without creating an account ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Checking in from Oz, Outlook was working fine 30 minutes ago.
The thing about this that's troubling is that you saw it and it troubled you.
Most sites linked from HN you don't see that number even though it often numbers in the thousands; and if you do get told, they don't let you use a single click to continue without agreeing.
I was pleasantly surprised how transparent this was, and that I could just disagree and continue, instead of the usual GDPR-dodging dark patterns.
If people cared about that they wouldn't be using Microsoft.
So many unfortunately don't have a choice
Uhhh... is Bill gates holding your family hostage???
No, but my work is holding my paycheck hostage.