I still remember vividly a self-made expert explaining to his friend, in the London subway, that "yeah batteries only last 8 years, then you have to swap them out, ergo electric cars are a dumb idea".
But I still trust in people's capacity to digest being utterly wrong — eventually.
This isn't really news, just another study confirming past results. And of course it correlates really well with mountains of real world data from places like Teslafi.
> The key results: In the first approximately 30,000 kilometres, the loss of capacity is accelerated, and the so-called state of health (soH) drops relatively quickly from 100 to around 95 percent. With increasing mileage, real degradation decreases. According to the Electrive portal, Aviloo data from the 7,000 vehicles showed a (average) SoH of around 90 percent at 100,000 kilometres. According to this, the trendline is almost horizontal, between 200,000 and 300,000 kilometres, it is almost stable – and is well above the 70 to 80 percent of the battery guarantee. In fact, it is rather 87 percent.
I don't think I realized that ICE engines had this kind of degradation. What causes this? Seals and parts loosening as they break in? Some loss of efficiency in the fuel mixing/burning process?
I don’t think it’s much besides people becoming more lax on maintenance as the car ages.
Most people are going to adhere to the oil change schedule no matter what. But if the schedule is calling for new spark plugs every 60,000 miles it will almost certainly happen at 60,000 miles but maybe not at 120,000. Instead people will probably wait until something is going wrong enough that a mechanic tells them they have to replace them.
Or things that don’t last forever but don’t have a set replacement schedule. The oxygen sensor, PCV valve, etc. I just replaced the PCV valve for the very first time on a Subaru with 130k miles on it and the mpg jumped by 2-3 immediately.
So basically in other words what this means - is that if battery capacity was over-provisioned by mere 13 percent with battery firmware keeping it essentially hidden - then in effect there would not be any degradation at all.
They already over-provision to prevent users from charging the last few percent. That top end is where the most significant degradation happens when charging.
I still remember vividly a self-made expert explaining to his friend, in the London subway, that "yeah batteries only last 8 years, then you have to swap them out, ergo electric cars are a dumb idea".
But I still trust in people's capacity to digest being utterly wrong — eventually.
I'm hoping that my car's battery only lasts for 7.9 years. It has an 8 year guarantee :D
Then I'd get a new one and my car would be practically new for 8 more years.
"But I still trust in people's capacity to digest being utterly wrong — eventually."
It always comes back to diet, doesn't it?
This isn't really news, just another study confirming past results. And of course it correlates really well with mountains of real world data from places like Teslafi.
Using Firefox's built-in translation...
> The key results: In the first approximately 30,000 kilometres, the loss of capacity is accelerated, and the so-called state of health (soH) drops relatively quickly from 100 to around 95 percent. With increasing mileage, real degradation decreases. According to the Electrive portal, Aviloo data from the 7,000 vehicles showed a (average) SoH of around 90 percent at 100,000 kilometres. According to this, the trendline is almost horizontal, between 200,000 and 300,000 kilometres, it is almost stable – and is well above the 70 to 80 percent of the battery guarantee. In fact, it is rather 87 percent.
Seems pretty consistent with ICE engines, where you can expect roughly a 5-10% loss in efficiency once you get over 100k miles
I don't think I realized that ICE engines had this kind of degradation. What causes this? Seals and parts loosening as they break in? Some loss of efficiency in the fuel mixing/burning process?
I don’t think it’s much besides people becoming more lax on maintenance as the car ages.
Most people are going to adhere to the oil change schedule no matter what. But if the schedule is calling for new spark plugs every 60,000 miles it will almost certainly happen at 60,000 miles but maybe not at 120,000. Instead people will probably wait until something is going wrong enough that a mechanic tells them they have to replace them.
Or things that don’t last forever but don’t have a set replacement schedule. The oxygen sensor, PCV valve, etc. I just replaced the PCV valve for the very first time on a Subaru with 130k miles on it and the mpg jumped by 2-3 immediately.
So basically in other words what this means - is that if battery capacity was over-provisioned by mere 13 percent with battery firmware keeping it essentially hidden - then in effect there would not be any degradation at all.
They already over-provision to prevent users from charging the last few percent. That top end is where the most significant degradation happens when charging.
Like SSDs, the more expensive the drive the more extra storage cells it's got for the controller to use later
That raises the question og whether they study factored this into their analysis. Don’t carmakers already overprovision?
wow firefox has built in translation? i didn't know that.